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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 18, 2011 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

This is an article from this week's Rolling Stone (page 22).
My first thought was, "This has to be a hoax..."
But here it is:

DEAD REACH BACK TO LEGENDARY 1972 TOUR FOR MASSIVE BOX SET
Due in fall, the 60-plus CD release includes every show from European trek.

On April 1st, 1972, the Grateful Dead arrived in Britain for the opening dates of their first European tour. The timing was perfect - "the feast of fools," guitarist Bob Weir says, laughing. "There was a challenge for us, playing for people not familiar with what we were up to. But we were ready for fresh ears...we were hot."...

In the fall, the tour will be released by Rhino as a limited-edition beast: 22 shows on more than 60 CDs. The lavish set, available by pre-order from the Dead's website, will cost over $400 and is unprecedented even by their archive-box standards.
"By the time we're finished, we'll have put two years into this," says producer David Lemieux, who expects mixing and mastering to wrap by June. "If there was ever a tour that needed a complete release, it was Europe '72. It's one of the top three tours the Dead ever did, and there's a pristine 16-track recording of every show..."

"I remember that tour clearly," says bassist Phil Lesh, noting that no one in the band had been to Europe before. [SIC] "In Hamburg, we played in the hall where Brahms played. In Paris, I literally felt the spirits of Chopin and Debussy. I think that made us play better. I remember being on..."
"Someone would catch fire, and that would spread," Bob Weir says. "I'd catch a riff everyone coalesced around. Then someone else would come up with something that took us another way. It was a collective flash - time to move on."

The Dead were in dramatic transition that spring, emboldened by the jazzy ambitions of new pianist Keith Godchaux. "It was amazing how tuned in he was to our music," Lesh says. "In Paris, he played like a god."
The European tour was also the Dead's last with ailing singer-organist Ron 'Pigpen' McKernan, who died in 1973. "He didn't have as much energy as before," Weir says, "but he was trying his best to deal with it."...

Lemieux says other Dead tours deserve full release, such as the fall of '73 and spring 1990: "It's such a diverse band. You can do boxes from '72 and '89 back-to-back, and there's nothing similar about them, except it's Grateful Dead music."
"It all boils down to, 'Is there a story there?'" says Weir. "If we can find an era like this, with a story line and development - and I have a feeling there is - there would be merit in doing this again."

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 18, 2011 9:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

I'm very skeptical that this is for real.
Over 60 CDs?
But it's in print, so I thought it was worth posting.

Nonetheless...the release, if real, isn't even due until the fall (the mixing & mastering alone is supposed to take another half-year) - so this is a very premature announcement. (I love how it says it's "available for pre-order on the Dead's website"...umm, right.)

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 19, 2011 5:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

I think this the best news that I have ever heard come out of the Grateful Dead camp. Commercially releasing the entire catalogue is long overdue!

If the Allman Bros can release a 47 disc set for $500, why shouldn't the Grateful Dead offer something similar? Surely there will be some bonus material and literature included as well.

"Lemieux says other Dead tours deserve full release..."

I hope this an indication of additional releases of this nature and a future rich in vault remastered music becoming available!

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jan 19, 2011 7:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

This is a lot of geld, but less that what I am going to pay for my root canal today...
If this is real , It opens some interesting questions . How much is in good enough shape to release ? Seems to me, I recall that some of the tracks on the multi tracks are gone . I haven't done the math, but if they do put it out, I hope they do it all, and not leave parts of shows in limbo . Having worked in retail selling Classical cds, I can remember what a pain it was when a customer has one bad disc in a 14 disc set ! They could have ( might ) sold in in parts , maybe break it up in groups ( early , middle, late ?), or sold IT as a subscription , in some way .
They could do so sort of selection, ( not duplicate the 9 discs already out [not counting E72}], maybe put the other material for DL ?
I actually hope they do put the whole tour out, in whatever form, and let me make highlights , If I chose myself .

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jan 19, 2011 3:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

I don't really get this. If you're someone who would be so interested that you'd consider paying over $400 for all 60 shows, aren't you also someone who is sufficiently obsessed to already have a lot of those shows? While your average Obsessive Deadhead Completist would surely plunk down good money for wonderfully re-mastered, pristine, vault-quality versions of a bunch of those shows ... and while IMO whole shows are better than cut-and-paste piecemeal offerings ... um, what exactly would make it worth it? And they're doing this because they really count on a LOT of people handing over $400? In this economy? Seriously?

It's either (a) a case of hanging out with too many Mercedes Deadheads in Marin; (b) a ham-handed way to try to get the whole tour out of circulation; or (c) someone has been eating the brown acid.



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Poster: WillCo Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:53pm
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I totally agree, AltheaRose, with every word. As ever.

It won't be long now: the yellow banner at the top of every archive GD show ......

"This show has been commercially released as part of the 5,842-disk* crate, COMPLETE LIVE DEAD 1966-1995".

As Doug Sahm would say, "It was fun while it lasted".

* Someone tell me, how many disks would it be? And how much would Rhino charge?

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Jan 19, 2011 6:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

The genie is out of the bottle, and even if they pull every Europe 72 show off the archive there will still be multiple ways for people to find them elsewhere. Learn to torrent! I am all for an official release, maybe someone will buy it for me as a gift!

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 19, 2011 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

25,000 people buy it = $10,000,000 makes sense to me,I first posted $1,000,000 guess I should have used a calculator. It should come out in 2012 for the 40th anniversary though. The price said over $400 I bet it will be more like $500-$600 for that amount of music. I have had good luck buying some of the box sets used at FYE for about half the price so maybe someday. If you preorder you get the whole E74 tour as a bonus too. Lemieux mentions the fall 73 and spring 90 tours as good tour releases. The only problem with that is some of these shows have all-ready been released there is even the winterland 73 box sets. With only one complete show for all of E72 released this seems like the tour to pick if not the only tour to pick.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 19, 2011 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

I will puke if they do the spring '90 tour. And to be honest, they were good in '90, but I know that tour well. There are definitely shows I would pass on.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 19, 2011 5:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

I still order many of the Road Trips releases; they're more my speed budget wise and time wise. I love the Dead, but for me personally this represents the dividing line between hobby and overkill. I can just see myself telling my 14-year-old son "Sorry, we're going to have to cut our beach vacation a couple of days short so I can buy $400 worth of Grateful Dead music. Well, yes, I do have over 700 shows already, but I really MUST have this 60 CD set of Europe '72 shows, many of which I already have."

That said, if people want to pony up the cash for this bad boy, more power to them. If the Dead pull the shows from the Archive, then they pull the shows. So what? No band has ever given away as much of their music for free as the GD, so I have no problem with them trying to turn a few extra bucks here.

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Poster: wineland Date: Jan 19, 2011 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

My only request is if they are going to release the whole tour, then release it warts and all. Don't leave out a single song. Anyone that buys this is a Deadhead and we understand there are vocal flubs and digi-noise. And if you are shelling out what I assume is a significant chunk of change, then you are probably a completist that needs it all.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Jan 19, 2011 5:41am
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Im a little skeptical of this too, but I think it will happen. If they have all of these wondeful 16 track recordings hidden away somewhere, why wouldnt they? It would only make sense. 60 disc set is not unheard of. I bought the Miles Columbia Complete album collection two years ago that was 71 discs. I think people will buy it, especially if there is some good extras included. Maybe reprint the program they gave out in London? Either way, Im pretty stoked. Just the thought of my beloved 4/29 coming out in a 16 bit crystal clear remaster is enough to make me buy this one.

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Poster: notarealdoctor Date: Jan 19, 2011 10:16am
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$400, 67 CDs? They must know that all the people foolish and affluent enough to pay for this are getting older every day, and will be gone or just plain broke before too many more years go by.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 19, 2011 11:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 60-CD Europe '72 box set to be released?

There is now a website for it:

http://store.dead.net/live-shows/europe-72-complete-recordings

It's still blank, but I suppose details will be filled in later. With some astonishment, I'm starting to think it's really true...

In the past their box sets have been only 2-3 shows. It would be sad (but understandable) if the whole tour gets pulled off the Archive (hey, we'll still have the 4/29 AUD!)...it would be even sadder if the shows aren't available to buy individually.
I thought it would make more sense for Rhino to save the E72 shows for future show-by-show releases, rather than selling them all at once in a limited-edition set... But who am I to question their marketing wizards.

Expensive, for sure. But remember what happened with the FW69 set....you could buy this for $500, sell it a year later for $1000...

And, like Cliff, I'm not upset if there really are huge tour-by-tour box sets in the works. If people don't want to buy, they can still get the shows in trades or online, just as they did for years before there was a dead.net or an archive.org.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 19, 2011 11:29am
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— 1972 GD European Tour on The Archive —
Live Music Archive boxed set


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— 1972 GD European Tour at bt.etree dot org —
The_Bus boxed set from Salah

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffSean_0000001 Date: Jan 21, 2011 1:41am
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This might be a bit of a noob question, but how come some of the shows are repeated on the Internet Archive? I've seen about four different versions of the 1972-05-24 show.

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Poster: ice9freak Date: Jan 19, 2011 11:58am
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Here's the news: looks like $450 for the box. Seems ridiculous.

http://www.dead.net/features/release-info/holy-s-it-s-complete-europe-72-box-over-60-discs

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jan 19, 2011 12:20pm
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I like this part of the "info":

" *** [W]e need to hit 3,000 sales before we even go into production. If we don't reach 3,000 by April 1st, the boxed set won't be able to happen. This isn't a gun-to-your-head sales pitch...."

I've ordered the first 2000 but I'm running low on cash. Can I git some hep?

TOOTMO

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jan 19, 2011 3:51pm
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They could break it up , at a later date, which would make sense to me . It is a lot of money, and will be a little unwieldy, but to have it al out is a good thing .
Just what is going to be in the set exactly is still of interest .
I am not super happy with the digipacks that each show will be in, For that much money , I don't want it to be biodegradable !

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Jan 19, 2011 5:47pm
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Digipacks suck for any price its so hard to keep the discs from getting scratched and then the corners rip. Its happened to me a bunch of times just trying to get them out of the pack brand new. I like the purejerry style they seem to last the best and how expensive is the packaging? I would imagine pennies on the dollar.

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Poster: boltman Date: Jan 19, 2011 11:58am
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$450

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Poster: ashnr Date: Jan 19, 2011 11:52am
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"Expensive, for sure. But remember what happened with the FW69 set....you could buy this for $500, sell it a year later for $1000..."


So it's an opportunity for us to make money too? Sounds great, only some of us want to keep them as collectibles.

The price is one thing, but the fact that its limited edition reslly bums me out. If I can't scrape up the cash in time theres no way I'll be able to afford the copies selling for 2500 bucks on ebay.

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:37pm
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A quick sampling of what I and most everyone else who has been around here and the torrent sites the past decade already has would seem to indicate that only :

April 7 Wembley Empire Pool, Wembley

April 11 Newcastle City Hall, Newcastle

April 16 Aarhus University, Aarhus

April 29 Musikhalle, Hamburg!!

May 7 Bickershaw Festival, Wigan

don't already circulate in good quality soundboards.
I like to hear those 5 but not for $450.


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Poster: elkdog Date: Jan 19, 2011 10:54am
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If there's no a la carte option, consider me annoyed. My music budget is not tiny, but $400 is way beyond what I'm willing to pay for a single product, even if it is E72. I'm sure they'll turn a profit on this, so I'm just shouting into the wind.
I love the Dead, but I love other music too. Buying this set would render me a musical monogamist for the rest of the year. That's not about to happen.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Jan 19, 2011 12:23pm
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perhaps some kind environmentalist or commercial fishermon could do a Hard Drive exchange, wonder how many TB's you'd need? Or maybe a mercedesdeadheadpirate uh, sharing the commercial release that way - of course I wouldn't approve of any pirating..

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:03pm
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i would never approve of that sort of thing either ;)


(damn, that will be a looonngggg download...)

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jan 19, 2011 2:41pm
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Why go illegal? There's so much great stuff from this tour that will be on the torrent sites legally, that my E72 jonesing has never gone unsatisfied. That said, I'm still hoping against hope for an a la carte option.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 20, 2011 7:27am
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didnt mean to imply i was doing anything "illegal" - said it the wrong way

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Poster: elkdog Date: Jan 20, 2011 8:09am
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Gotcha. Sorry to be snide.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 20, 2011 8:21am
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you weren't snide (or at least i didnt take it that way - it was a legit response to my post)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffSean_0000001 Date: Jan 19, 2011 1:12am
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I'm praying that this is not for real. One of the reasons that I love the Dead so much is because they let us listen to all of their shows for free. It's how I found out about them, and how I fell in love with them. Getting rid of the '72 Europe shows won't make it impossible for people like me to get into their music, but it sure will hurt my opinion of them. I found a band that was actually in it for the music, and was more than willing to let us listen to their music for free. I hope they don't change that. At least for my wallet's sake! (I can't afford to drop $400 on shows, even if it's the Dead!)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 18, 2011 7:36pm
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I wonder what the policy is going to be re: the streaming SBD's here. If the SBD's are left to stream, then have at it.
If they yank all the SBD's, then they will close out a whole tour unless you pay for one of the many releases( aren't you pissed if you have all the releases and then you have to pony up again). Why would I want 60! CD's. I don't have time for the music I already have.
It won't effect us, but it may effect the newbie who is exploring or someone who relies on IA for GD. I wonder how many units they will sell. $400
LiA, will you start kicking tush and release proper shows that only you pick.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Jan 18, 2011 7:59pm
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Come on, you know you've just got to hear 20 different versions of Chinatown Shuffle.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jan 18, 2011 8:38pm
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That song sucks big fat donkey balls.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 18, 2011 7:57pm
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Why do you think the policy would be different for this compared to the Fillmore West '69 box? I suspect they are gone.

As for your other question about being pissed having to purchase stuff you already have, not me. I think the only complete release from that tour is Rockin' the Rhein. The 100 Years Hall is not complete and Steppin' Out is a compilation from all the UK shows.

My question is what are they going to do with the stuff that was cut up for E72? Some of the sbds you listen to here are patched with the album and the pitch is speeded up a bit on the album. I wonder if they still have the original masters for those tracks.

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Poster: snori Date: Jan 19, 2011 6:52am
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And aren't some of the vocals on E72 added later in a studio ?

Still, saving 30 quid a month til September and hoping for improvement in the exchange rate ... When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my wallet.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 19, 2011 6:57am
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Yes, i believe that is correct regarding vocals.

I was thinking about how to budget this as well. First thing i thought of was that i won't be purchasing any Road Trips this year. Now they made it easy with that first release but i have purchased about half of those so thats about 50 bucks right there. I have also purchased all the Garcia family releases in the last year so thats probably another 25 bucks. Now if i sell my middle child off for scientific research purposes, i think between the compensation i get for that and the money i save from having to feed him, i'll be able to make it!! Alternatively i could start dropping hints that it would be a really nice birthday present for me for next fall. Nah, sell the kid.

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Poster: JerryRocks1972 Date: Jan 19, 2011 11:03am
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>And aren't some of the vocals on E72 added later in a studio ?

Yes, but that doesn't mean there aren't vocals on the reels from the show, just that they were enhanced in the studio...

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Poster: JerryRocks1972 Date: Jan 19, 2011 11:01am
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>I wonder if they still have the original masters for those tracks.

The reels for all the shows exist, yes.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 19, 2011 11:14am
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Why do you think the soundboards here for shows like the Paris shows have the E72 album tracks spliced in?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-03.sbd.masse.142.sbeok.shnf

IF you read the notes on this, it says the China>Rider and Jed were snipped from the master reel. Be sure to note who did the transfer and is providing these notes for this one.

Same with Sugar Mags the next night:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-05-04.sbd.miller.77294.sbeok.flac16

If the reels were intact why splice in E72?

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 18, 2011 8:22pm
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Yeah, your right el, Fillmore '69 (still on Amazon for $1000) was all pulled. E'72 is not pulled. Yet.

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Poster: dark.starz Date: Jan 19, 2011 6:34am
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Interesting concept indeed! it's about time the folks at Rhino have come-up with a positive product concept.

There will certainly be some redundency in a 60 CD Box Set, perhaps they will also launch the abridged version, say a 30 CD set for half the cost, @ $200 as they did with the Fillmore 69 series. Why not offer each individual show for download? I mean ultimately that has to be where they are headed.

This may also be an indication as to the "Road Trips" subscription series marketing experiment? a toe-in-the-water so-to-speak to gauge the market and speculate as to how many units they will actually sell and how many units to manufacture.

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Poster: BuckeyeJosh Date: Jan 19, 2011 8:26am
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Guess I better get started listening to all those shows I can. There is no way possible that I could afford $400. Anyone have a list of this tour and where one should start? I know I have listened to a few of the shows of the Europe 72 tour but not all of them.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jan 19, 2011 8:44am
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Here's a helluva start:
http://www.archive.org/post/304297/europe-72-notebook



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Poster: A Pilgrim Date: Jan 19, 2011 9:45am
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Thanks for the link. I'm gonna have to bookmark that one.

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Poster: BuckeyeJosh Date: Jan 19, 2011 10:26am
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Thank you, that was just the thing I was looking for. See you in a couple of weeks/months when I make it through. On a second note Cliff thanks for your insightful reviews of these shows, its much appreciated.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jan 18, 2011 7:42pm
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why would they go public with this in a Rolling Stones article? I hope its true, although not sure i can convince the wife that this is a good investment and it would mean the end of streaming those shows here......again (between 2005 and 2007 all those shows disappeared).